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This programme contains some strong language
and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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I don't know if you guys are allowed
to give me any news about...

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..ourselves and our situation.

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We don't have...anything,
anything, anything,

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but we're just basically
dying every day,

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people just dying in prison.

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We're just sitting there,
waiting for...waiting for death.

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Hamza Parvez from West London
is currently being held in prison

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in Syria on suspicion
of being an enemy combatant.

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He has had his UK
citizenship revoked.

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My whole life was around
Holland Park,

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High Street Kensington,
Shepherd's Bush.

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I used to work part-time
in a hotel,

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go to Westfield, have a good time.

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Life was good.

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In 2012, a number of
Hamza's London friends,

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radicalised by extremist preachers
in Britain,

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travel to take part in a so-called
religious war in Syria and Iraq.

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A lot of people make
quick decisions.

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If it's not going to be me
that sacrifices,

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not going be me that helps,
who's going to do it?

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There were friends that I knew
that had gone to Syria before.

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Most people are going,
they're not looking back.

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They're actually looking for death,
they're looking to die.

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They're looking for martyrdom.

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- ON VIDEO:
- Yes, my feeling is great,

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and, Alhamdulillah,
I'm happy that I'm here.

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And I'm here to please Allah,
Subhanallah,

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and I'm not here to please
anyone else but Allah, Subhanallah.

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These foreign fighters
are the new phenomena

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that British photographer
John Cantlie was investigating

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when he and his friend James Foley

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were taken by masked men
at gunpoint.

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- JOHN CANTLIE:
- A relatively large number of these jihadists

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were either English-speaking
or English.

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Disenchanted young men from the UK

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now unified under
this jihadist banner.

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{\an8}- HAMZA:
- This is the golden era of jihad.

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{\an8}- NEWSREADER:
- Islamic State is now at war with the West.

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{\an8}- BARACK OBAMA:
- One thing we can all agree on

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{\an8}is that a group like Isil
has no place in the 21st century.

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John went into the hornet's nest.

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He wanted a proper story.

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He went looking for British jihadis
in dangerous environments.

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Was he on the verge
of an amazing story?

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Journalists have become targets.

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Scores of journalists are believed
to have been kidnapped.

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John Cantlie, being held
by extremists from Islamic State.

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We just were desperate
for information.

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It was a mission
to find missing persons.

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Another barbaric beheading,
another unwatchable video.

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It became apparent
that he hadn't been beheaded.

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Hello, my name is John Cantlie,

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and the media hasn't had a story
as big as this

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for a very long time indeed.

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Why not kill him like the rest?

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People began to take the view that
he was a turned Islamic State asset.

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What really did happen
to John Cantlie?

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Well, Thanksgiving Day is always
a special gathering with our family.

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LAUGHTER

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Jim has four younger siblings,
married with children.

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And my husband has a large family.

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And actually Jim
was in frequent touch.

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He emailed or called weekly,

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and particularly on special days -
anybody's birthday, any holiday.

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And that's what made us pause,
Thanksgiving Day of 2012.

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I remember coming home
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and thinking, "How odd, we just
didn't hear from Jim," you know,

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but trying not to think much of it.

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So it was really the next morning,

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my husband and I were having
our morning coffee,

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and then we got a call.

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Their driver had said that
Jim and John had been kidnapped.

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No-one had any idea
who had kidnapped him.

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We were devastated,

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but the advice from the FBI
was to keep totally quiet about it.

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We were told not to tell anybody
about John and Jim's kidnapping.

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"Jump on a plane
and join us in Antakya.

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"In the next few days, it'd be good
to have you along to keep me sane.

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"Best, JC."

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And that was the last email I got
before then his beacon went off.

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I think it would have been
in the early hours of the morning...

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No, early 22nd of November,
I think...

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There was no worse place to be
than where he went.

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He went into the hornet's nest.

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He was entering a world,
he had no idea -

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because he was naive and a maverick.

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Yeah, he didn't know what was
coming, and by God, it was coming.

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Yeah.

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Everybody was panicked.

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There was lots of communication
between the family, me, his friends,

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his close friends, trying to
figure out what the next plan was.

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We contacted the Foreign Office
and normal diplomatic channels.

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I was on the full-time hostage
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at New Scotland Yard
and my boss said,

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"John Cantlie's
been kidnapped again."

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At first, it was like,
"What? Why would he go back?"

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You know, why would anybody go back?

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Gosh, that's unheard of.

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I can't think of anybody in
the history that I've been working

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in negotiation where somebody
has been kidnapped twice.

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My boss asked me to go and spend
some time with John's family,

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next of kin, just to support them.

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I got the impression
that they just thought,

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"Oh, this is typical of John,"

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and I remembered them thinking
it will be over quite quickly

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John would probably escape
pretty soon.

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We really did not have any idea
if Jim and John were dead or alive,

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so I was frantic to find out more.

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Jim was a freelancer.

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One of the outlets
had some kidnap insurance

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and, with that, was able to enlist
a security professional

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to help look for Jim.

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INTERVIEWER: Is it a dangerous job?

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Well, I mean,
it depends on the circumstances.

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You could say that my threshold
of safety was different.

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So as a private actor,
you are much less constrained

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in what you can do.

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Kidnap investigator Jens
arrives in Turkey.

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John and James have now been missing
for 48 hours.

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Ahead of him is a live
and deadly conflict.

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I picked up my bag
at the luggage carousel.

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There were lots of Europeans.

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They were all like,
"Hey, are you going?

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"Are you coming in with us?
Are you going to join the fight?"

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And I was like,
"No, I'm here on another issue,"

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but I was very well aware that, you
know, I should keep a low profile.

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Antakya is a very, very small city
right on the border...

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..and it was completely congested
with foreign fighters.

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I always use the reference
to Star Wars, Tatooine.

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They were not openly
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but they were carrying
their fatigues and desert boots,

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and they all looked
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waiting eagerly to go in
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I knew exactly where
they were taken.

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We knew that they were
apprehended together,

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and we had to assume
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So I went to interview
Mustafa Karali, the fixer.

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Mustafa was actually the only one
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when they were apprehended.

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He was the key witness.

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I was blaming myself.

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I thought like, "Maybe in
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"they will release,
they will be with me."

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So I go back to my uncle.

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I was angry and shouting
and also crying

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and, "Please, I need, like,
my friends."

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I told him when we got kidnapped,
there were, like, six, seven people.

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They have a different accent
and they're, like, hiding their IDs.

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When I describe them to him,
he says they are Jabhat al-Nusra,

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the jihadist group.

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Jabhat al-Nusra is one of
the most aggressive rebel groups

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on the ground, fighting against
President Assad's regime.

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Al-Nusra is part of Al-Qaeda,

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and it's run by a man called
Abu Mohammed al-Jolani,

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who has recently been released
from a US prison in Iraq.

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Years later, he would become
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and welcomed by heads of states.

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Jolani was a senior-level
Al-Qaeda operative.

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It's difficult to see how the kidnap
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an American and a Brit,

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wouldn't have at some stage involved
the direct knowledge of Jolani.

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Jolani was the one in charge.

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He was the most powerful guy
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So I started looking everywhere
for Jolani.

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Jens tracks down al-Jolani
through his contacts

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and is hoping to negotiate
a quick release of John and James.

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We had Jolani interviewed
several times about this issue.

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He knew about it,
he had the power to search,

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go bang on all doors.

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And I remember
we had several meetings

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with some high-ranking people.

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And at the end,
they just came around and said,

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"Listen, if you ask us this question
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"we're going to do
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I mean, basically,
they became annoyed by us.

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They have only one answer to say -
"They are Kuffar."

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"They are not with us and
we don't know anything about them,

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"but even if we know,
we are not going to give you."

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And they said, "If we had them,

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"we would say it
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Things were changing on the ground
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- NEWS ARCHIVE:
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the battle to remove
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is pulling in volunteer fighters
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A new group is emerging...

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..and there are rumours they are
interested in high value prisoners.

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Coming from Iraq and calling itself
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this group is
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and intent on taking hostages.

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{\an8}Its leader is a man
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{\an8}who has also been released
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Al-Baghdadi plans to take over
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and - one day - the whole world.

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The schism happens between those who
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to Baghdadi, Islamic State chief,

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and those who want to stay with
Jolani, who was Syrian

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and he wasn't quite as extreme

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as Baghdadi or his
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nor did he want to be deferential.
So you get the two falling apart.

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Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State
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Someone from Jabhat al-Nusra told me
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they were the big deal.

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Isis and Jabhat Al-Nusra, they are
ready to leave all the heavy weapons

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just to take the two journalists,
the foreign journalists.

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I must have interviewed
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about the James and John case.

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Endless interrogations,

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questionings,

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smoking a gazillion cigarettes,

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drinking 6,000 cups of coffee.

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I would pick up somebody,
drive in the car

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and basically have the chat
on the move.

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I was sucked into this surreal world

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where my borders for safety
would slip.

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Every stone was turned -
and there was nothing.

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Whoever took John and James
did not want them to be found

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and took great effort to hide them.

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There was this feeling
of incredible worry.

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We were quiet for the six weeks
or month,

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did our best to listen to the advice
of the FBI.

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But it was hard not to tell
our closest friends.

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It was horrifying,
it felt very isolating.

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I felt strongly
that I needed to do my part.

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I was desperate.

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And so we felt the only way
to get some light on it

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was to ask for help.

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We're gravely concerned

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about Jimmy's health and welfare
and safety.

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We miss him terribly.

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He's in our thoughts
and our prayers every day.

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We're committed to do everything
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to secure his safe release.

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And this is our only priority.

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Part of the need to be public,

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since Jim was a journalist and
I knew he had journalist friends,

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perhaps some of his colleagues might
have an idea of what was happening.

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Once it was public,
angels have surrounded us.

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As time went by, Syria became
really, really dangerous

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for us Western journalists.

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But a Syrian revolution
was a really big story,

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so we were all drawn to Syria.

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A war that had already been
super violent and chaotic

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was getting beyond difficult.

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{\an8}The violence had become
so widespread

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{\an8}and the risks had so multiplied.

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{\an8}Feral, feral times.

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So John and James were
the first ones that I heard about

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who disappeared,
and that's how it started.

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And then you get to hear on that
very internal journalist grapevine,

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"Hey, so-and-so's gone missing.

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"There's two other journalists
gone missing."

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A lot of people going missing.

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Five months into
the Foley-Cantlie case,

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I get a phone call about
a super young photographer

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that had been kidnapped,
also in northern Syria.

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On the 17th of May 2013,

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24-year-old Danish photographer
Daniel Rye is kidnapped.

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Jens is deployed to search for him.

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He was very green,

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but he had also really tried
to do the best he could

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to prepare himself for that trip.

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But I was worried, because -
knowing what I knew about Syria -

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I just had a bad hunch about it.

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So, Jens was looking for Jim, but
he was also helping Daniel's family.

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So, he was working both cases,

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but they felt they knew
where Daniel was.

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In Daniel's case, I knew
exactly what building he went into.

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We quite quickly established
direct communication.

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And then they stopped replying.

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They said, "This issue has now been
passed on to others.

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"He's been transitioned,"
not specified.

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And we lost the track of
anyone holding Daniel.

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So this whole transitioning,
what we know now

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is that was basically the start
of the Islamic State.

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RAPID GUNFIRE

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Islamic State has become the
strongest jihadist group in Syria

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{\an8}and is seizing hostages
from other armed groups.

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{\an8}What's beginning to emerge

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{\an8}is a systematic taking of people
as prisoners.

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{\an8}The honour of the Ummah is jihad...

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{\an8}All my brothers, come to jihad
and feel the honour we are feeling,

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{\an8}feel the happiness
that we are feeling.

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I took a very strong view

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that the Prime Minister
should always know

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whenever a hostage was taken.

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I would then, you know,
ask for Cobra,

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the emergency committee meeting,
to take place

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so that I could ask
the heads of special forces,

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the heads of
the intelligence agencies,

291
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"What do we know about this hostage?
Where do we think they are?

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"Is there a chance of a rescue?"

293
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Now, as part of that,
I felt it was incumbent on us

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to make sure the families
were kept up-to-date

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with anything that was happening.

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They had police liaison officers
and other support officers.

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And I was very happy to meet
with the families -

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if they wanted to meet.

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You know, obviously, they want
their loved one brought home,

300
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I want to make sure
their loved one is brought home,

301
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but sometimes you can't say
everything about what's being done.

302
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John has now been missing for almost
six months,

303
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and only a handful
of friends and relatives

304
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know that he's been taken.

305
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At the request of the government,

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the press avoid reporting
on John's kidnapping.

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When things like this happen,
kidnappings,

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there is a great deal
of secrecy around it

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because there are so many dynamics,

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and as soon as things start
hitting the news,

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the dynamics around it changes.

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The key objective
when someone is kidnapped,

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I mean, obviously, it's the life
at stake that matters the most.

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You must do everything you can do

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to prevent that case
from scaling out of control.

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So the secretiveness around it
is often founded in the fact

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that what matters the most
is saving that life.

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When he got kidnapped
the second time,

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it felt like,
"This is getting ridiculous."

320
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I remember just feeling... Partly
feeling not surprised, you know?

321
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I thought, "That's really
not a surprise,

322
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"that he's got himself
into the soup."

323
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He definitely seemed to be
deeply affected by the story,

324
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and he was bombarding me with
photographs he'd taken in Syria.

325
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A lot of the images, though, were of
rebels - very gung ho, front line.

326
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It was all men.

327
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And I remember thinking,
"That's really strange.

328
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"You've gone to Syria and
you've just taken photos of guys."

329
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But what was clear was that he felt
like he was making a difference

330
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and he wanted to keep going back.

331
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John Cantlie had been capturing
the rapidly changing conflict

332
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in Syria when he was taken.

333
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But there was a new
and deeply unsettling twist

334
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coming out of the war.

335
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,719
Photographers don't often bring in
amazing stories.

336
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It just doesn't happen like that.

337
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,959
But was he on the verge
of an amazing story?

338
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,839
Was he on the verge of the scoop
of his life

339
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,950
that would have transformed
his career?

340
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- Hold like the way I told you to.
- Hold it like a man!

341
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,759
There you go.

342
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,039
- You guys ready?
- Ready.

343
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,319
- You sure you are recording me?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

344
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,159
Little Chinese man,
little black man.

345
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,759
The Islamic State group is proving
more popular with young Brits...

346
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,719
GUNSHOT
..than any other group in Syria...

347
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,839
- LAUGHTER
- Look! - That's how we do it over here!

348
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,680
GUN COCKS, GUNFIRE

349
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,680
LAUGHTER

350
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,679
- He's happy.
- Yeah, boy!

351
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,679
..and they're starting to film
their lives on the front lines...

352
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,599
Say cheese for us to the camera...

353
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,479
..part diary videos,
part propaganda.

354
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,359
INDISTINCT CHATTER

355
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,359
Right now, it's just
Friday afternoon

356
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,839
and we're just chilling here
on the battlefield.

357
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,679
In a little while,
we'll be doing an attack.

358
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,439
There's been a lot of talk about
this so-called five-star jihad.

359
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,839
Here, Alhamdulillah, this is where
most of the media work happens,

360
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,039
on this little desk here.

361
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,759
Their videos are spreading
across the internet,

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00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,919
attracting more recruits,

363
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,519
including 21-year-old Hamza Parvez
from West London.

364
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,639
We got taken to desert.

365
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,199
I brought boots and stuff
and jackets...

366
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,520
I already had some stuff -
some Primark, HandM.

367
00:23:33,171 --> 00:23:37,039
It's the first time
I saw a Kalashnikov.

368
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,639
I didn't know a word of Arabic.
I didn't know nothing.

369
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,639
They did, like, classes
about military tactics.

370
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,639
I'm not saying that I went out
and I was a fighter and I fought,

371
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,919
but you have to have a weapon
to protect yourself.

372
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,399
When I first got my first weapon,
it was a Kalashnikov,

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I put the magazine in...

374
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,720
..clock it back, take a shot.

375
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,999
- INTERVIEWER: How did it feel?
- It was very scary.

376
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,799
It's a weapon

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00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,840
that kills human beings.

378
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,479
{\an8}This is the golden era of jihad.

379
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,799
{\an8}What are we doing sitting in the UK,

380
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,159
{\an8}sitting in the al-Kuffar,
the land which kills Muslims...

381
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,559
At the time that
I recorded the video,

382
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,599
I was very like, you know,
charged up.

383
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,759
Everything was happening.

384
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,039
I was in the desert.

385
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,520
So it was a call for the guys,
whoever wants to come, to come.

386
00:24:24,521 --> 00:24:26,719
INTERVIEWER: Do you regret
that video?

387
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,710
Yeah, yeah, it was stupid.
It was stupid.

388
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,719
As we approach October,

389
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,400
this is close to a year
since they were kidnapped.

390
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,760
That's when I get the breakthrough.

391
00:24:46,761 --> 00:24:51,799
- NEWS ARCHIVE:
- An 18-year-old from Belgium recently returned from Syria

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00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,959
and has been detained
on suspicion of being

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00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,999
a member of a terrorist group -
something he denies.

394
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,679
A Belgian guy had hooked up
with Islamic State,

395
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,799
then he'd fallen foul
of Islamic State,

396
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,719
who chucked him in prison.

397
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,679
Finally, he's released.
He goes back to Brussels,

398
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480
where he's promptly detained
by Belgian authorities.

399
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,839
So I went to Belgium
to meet this jihadi.

400
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,919
He was in a maximum security prison.

401
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,879
There was no allowed access
to the jail.

402
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,079
Basically, I bullshit myself
all the way into that prison

403
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,959
by saying I was his uncle.

404
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,760
Let me ask, it's going
to be audio-only, right?

405
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,519
During his debrief, he said,

406
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320
"Oh, yeah, funny thing -
I was in this prison in Aleppo."

407
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,360
You never know, are you the one
next being killed or not?

408
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,839
Even though I was innocent,
they interrogated me.

409
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,119
I was in prison with two people.
I didn't know who they were.

410
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,359
"There were two men in the cell
with me..."

411
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,040
And their names were James and John.

412
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,319
One was John Cantlie
and one was James Foley.

413
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,159
That is the first time that
word comes out of John and James

414
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,200
since their abduction.

415
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,239
I had some proof of life questions

416
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,440
that were impossible to know
unless you had spoken to him.

417
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,319
They started to become friends.

418
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,200
They told what their hobbies were,
what drinks we had.

419
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,799
It all checked out.

420
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,639
So it was 100% sure that
they were alive when he met them.

421
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,639
They got tortured really bad

422
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,159
and they still had the scars
on their ankles.

423
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,559
And then you start to have
conversations like,

424
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,240
"If I get out, I'm going
to contact your family."

425
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:55,679
It was the fall of 2013, when
we were desperate for information.

426
00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,799
A parent of a young Belgian jihadist
reached out to me

427
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:06,679
and said, "My son has seen Jim,
he's alive,"

428
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,679
and that Jim was not alone. He was,
in fact, with other Westerners.

429
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,519
He was being held with Daniel Rye.

430
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,000
And that was the first hope we had.

431
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,880
I was incredibly grateful.

432
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,279
{\an8}When I was put into the same room
with James and John,

433
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,479
it was quite crazy to see them,

434
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,080
because they were kidnapped
half a year before me.

435
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,679
So they had been hostages
for a long time

436
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,319
when I saw them the first time.

437
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,199
And they have been through things
that you cannot imagine.

438
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,000
They were very skinny,
but they didn't seem very scared.

439
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,319
They seemed like
they had adapted quite well.

440
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,679
We just smiled and said hello.

441
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,920
They were like this old couple
who have been married forever.

442
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,799
Daniel Rye is placed in
a makeshift cell with John and James

443
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,599
several months after he was taken,

444
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,279
first meeting them here,

445
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760
in the notorious basement
of an Aleppo hospital.

446
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,759
Because of the hard treatment
that I have had in the beginning,

447
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,359
where I was heavily tortured
and beaten up,

448
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,960
I looked like a skeleton.

449
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,479
Some of the other guys
didn't want to get too close to me,

450
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,919
but not John.

451
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,319
I really hated myself, and I didn't
have any self-respect left.

452
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,759
And when I spoke to John,
he got so angry at me,

453
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,399
and he started to tell me
all the reasons I had

454
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,519
to not be angry at myself.

455
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,640
I was like, "Wow, I'm not weak.

456
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,199
"I'm probably actually strong, even
though I don't see that right now."

457
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,159
That was the beginning of a new way
of looking at myself.

458
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000
That's something I really learned
from John.

459
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,720
So he is and was
a very, very strong character.

460
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,159
The weird thing was, I would drive
in Aleppo past the teaching hospital

461
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880
in which John and James
were being held...

462
00:29:30,881 --> 00:29:33,759
..without realising they were there.

463
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,839
The rules were,
when you drove past that hospital,

464
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,039
don't look over to look at it.

465
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,999
Just drive past,
just don't do anything.

466
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,679
At that stage, the fighting
between the Islamic State

467
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,439
and all these other groups
all piling into Islamic State,

468
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,999
it was a huge fight -

469
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,999
as well as the fight that's going on
against Assad in that city.

470
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,399
So Islamic State decided to remove
their high value prisoners,

471
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,039
which include the Western hostages,
from that hospital

472
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,160
and driven to Raqqa.

473
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,760
We were chained to each other, two
and two, we were put into a truck.

474
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Suddenly, I woke up during the night
like, "Whoa, where are we?"

475
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,039
So some of the other guys was like,

476
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,319
"I think we're sitting on top of
eight tonnes of IEDs" -

477
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,959
improvised explosive device.

478
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,360
It was like, "OK, if something goes
wrong, we will fucking blow up."

479
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,520
Relocated to a new hidden site...

480
00:30:36,611 --> 00:30:40,999
..the Islamic State group
are consolidating

481
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760
their most valuable hostages.

482
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,560
Among them is veteran Spanish
correspondent Javier Espinosa.

483
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,799
Assembling all the foreigners
in the same place,

484
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,159
that kind of situation,
you feel comforted in a way

485
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,479
because, well, we are a lot.

486
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,359
You know, it's not going to be just
me along with all these crazy guys.

487
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,639
INTERVIEWER: You were given a
number. Can you tell me about that?

488
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,639
I'm number 43, and everybody
has a number - 43, 45, 47.

489
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,159
You cannot answer, "I'm Javier."

490
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,559
It's diminishing your human entity,
you know?

491
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,920
You are not any more a human,
you're a number in a system.

492
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,160
And then suddenly,
I heard them the first time.

493
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,839
They knocked on the door,
like a big iron door...

494
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,600
KNOCKING ON DOOR

495
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,039
..and I remember it
because when they opened the door,

496
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,800
all the heat we created as a group
just kind of went out.

497
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,520
They call them "the Brits".

498
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280
And they yelled,
"Hands to the wall."

499
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,800
And they came in, and the first they
did was to beat up the Americans.

500
00:32:14,471 --> 00:32:19,439
Everybody that they enter
in the room, you have to move

501
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,519
and you have to face the wall.

502
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,799
But you could hear the noise
of the beating, one after another.

503
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,559
Bam, bam, bam, bam!

504
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,159
It was with the - I mean,
kicks, actually, you know...

505
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,799
You heard it. It's a close room,
so you heard a lot.

506
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,799
I think that was the same day,
almost, that John Cantlie said,

507
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,239
"We need to be able to refer to them
as something.

508
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,250
"Hey, let's call them The Beatles -
John, Ringo and George."

509
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,159
The so-called Beatles,

510
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,359
a semi-criminalised group
of three young guys,

511
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,399
they had become subsumed

512
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,230
{\an8}with this new Islamic movement
they found there.

513
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,759
They'd assumed
these new identities too -

514
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840
big deal, part of Islamic State.

515
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,399
Obviously, that kind of stuff
is very, very secretive.

516
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,039
No-one knows about it.

517
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,279
No-one knows where the hostages
were taken from,

518
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,919
no-one knows where they're kept.
No-one knows what the situation is.

519
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,359
All that stuff, it's with
the security services

520
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,520
of the Islamic State.

521
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,079
These guys doesn't feel
they have any purpose in England.

522
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,039
And suddenly, they have
a purpose in life,

523
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,079
which is to create huge
Islamic State.

524
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,679
And especially,
they are given power -

525
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,959
to be somebody who can decide,
"Now you die, now you live."

526
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,639
That's enormous power for them.

527
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,559
I mean, many times,
they put their knives on your throat

528
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,450
and say, "You're going to be
killed and blah-blah-blah."

529
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,760
John was very brave.
He wasn't afraid of anything.

530
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,679
He was like this cat just standing
and looking at this dog,

531
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,479
being like, "What the fuck
do you think you are?",

532
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,119
and the dog just stops barking
and walks away, you know?

533
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,799
I think that was what
John kind of did to them,

534
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,440
and they was like, "OK."

535
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,840
So I think they respected him -
somehow.

536
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,440
They saw his humour.

537
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,399
Isis, they used to use him to
imitate popular guys from the BBC.

538
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,199
They were laughing - "A-ha-ha!

539
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,400
"You should have done this
as a job."

540
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,399
Welcome to Phoenix, Arizona.

541
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,839
Johnny Cantlie,
this man was born on a bike!

542
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,279
{\an8}Why do we still need a piece
of old dead cow?

543
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,879
{\an8}It is the ultimate
in motorcycling...

544
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,799
John had a ruthless energy.

545
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,999
He would act out -
with great enthusiasm -

546
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,119
his endeavours and his missions.

547
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,239
- TYRES SCREECH
- He started out with motorbikes...

548
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,719
LAUGHTER

549
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,479
..screeching around,
acting like a lunatic.

550
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,519
Mikey, how do you respond
to people that say

551
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,079
that what you were just doing
is just bloody irresponsible

552
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,959
and - quite honestly - putting
other people's lives in danger?

553
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,079
And then he suddenly turned up
on the scene

554
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,239
as this freelance photojournalist,

555
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,710
going around, looking down
the barrels of tanks.

556
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,159
I think people thought
he was full of shit, but he wasn't.

557
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,640
And I think this hindered his
credibility as a good journalist.

558
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,639
Because he'd never really been
trained by, say, the military,

559
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,159
his energetic, maverick mentality

560
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,279
meant that, very often,
he would overextend -

561
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,800
which is why he always got himself
in trouble.

562
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960
SINGING IN ARABIC

563
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,959
Islamic State started setting up
their own Sharia courts,

564
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,640
formalising local power.

565
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,879
They spoke of themselves
as a new nation,

566
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,120
and now they just need money.

567
00:36:14,211 --> 00:36:18,719
- NEWS ARCHIVE:
- Isis is taking over ever more

568
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,600
of rebel-held northern Syria.

569
00:36:20,601 --> 00:36:26,479
- NEWS ARCHIVE:
- They've now got, it's thought, at least 20 hostages.

570
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,480
It's a pretty big business.

571
00:36:28,481 --> 00:36:33,879
INTERVIEWER: When did you realise
that these people want money,

572
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,359
they want political leverage?

573
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,400
Since the very beginning,
for all of us.

574
00:36:37,401 --> 00:36:41,239
{\an8}They came in
and took a few pictures,

575
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,879
{\an8}and I had to pose with a letter

576
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,530
{\an8}where there was written
"Two million euros."

577
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,040
That's a lot of money.

578
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,199
{\an8}Like, two million euros,

579
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,999
that's completely insane.

580
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,279
And my family don't have
that kind of money,

581
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,519
so my head couldn't understand,
"How can I get back from this?"

582
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,479
In my case, it was to
the important people of Spain

583
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,239
and the leadership of the country -

584
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,639
"Please do what these people
want to do,

585
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,439
"because if not, they will kill me."

586
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,399
Javier and Ricardo
are not your enemy.

587
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,839
Islamic State group make
their first direct contact

588
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,280
with Javier's wife Monica,
reaching her by email.

589
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,519
And next, the ransom demands
come through

590
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,320
for John and James's families.

591
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,039
They had an encrypted email
that our FBI couldn't penetrate.

592
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,679
{\an8}Know that we are many,
and we are many in numbers...

593
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,999
We had a feeling
they might be British

594
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,799
because of some
of the wording in the emails.

595
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,390
{\an8}And know that you cannot harm us
in the least...

596
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,039
The early one
was really rather cordial.

597
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,679
I think there was
a tiny window there.

598
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,959
But that tone changed over time.

599
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,079
{\an8}And know that the ground
that we sit on

600
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,370
{\an8}is the ground that
we will bury you in!

601
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,879
And the terrorists wanted to
directly negotiate

602
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,839
with our government.

603
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,840
They wanted more than 100 million
euro for the release of Jim.

604
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,519
The ransom prices
for John and James -

605
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,880
as British and American citizens -
are astronomical.

606
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,919
They were asking millions
and millions of dollars.

607
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,599
We had a very clear policy,

608
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,799
which is to say
that we would do everything we could

609
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,959
to try and get hostages home,

610
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,999
but we would not pay ransoms
to terrorist kidnappers

611
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,119
for the very clear reason
that if we did,

612
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,919
they would kidnap more
British citizens.

613
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,839
It was, I accept, a tough policy.

614
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,919
I took it to the G8, and I looked
all of the other countries

615
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,399
in the eye - the French,
the Italians, all of them -

616
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,199
and said, "Let's all sign up."

617
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,399
So, nominally, other countries
in the world

618
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,080
had signed up to this policy.

619
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,079
Our government did not negotiate
with terrorists -

620
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,760
and they made that clear.

621
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,519
But the government, meanwhile,
was telling me

622
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,439
that Jim was their highest priority
over and over and over.

623
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,719
So, as a mom,
I wanted to hear that -

624
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,639
that, yes, my government
may say publicly

625
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,679
they won't negotiate
with terrorists,

626
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,479
but that privately,
my government's telling me

627
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,680
that Jim's their highest priority.

628
00:39:48,171 --> 00:39:52,439
I understand from
a political perspective

629
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,760
why states shouldn't pay.

630
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,039
But I also understand that any
family should be allowed the right

631
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,839
to do what they deem necessary.

632
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,559
Had it been my kid,
I would have said,

633
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,960
"Well, eff you,
I will do it myself, then."

634
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,959
We met with the highest level at the
White House that I had to date.

635
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,439
They were very kind, they listened.

636
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719
We went to FBI.

637
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:33,639
And what was horrific was, that is
when we were told for the first time

638
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,359
that, as American citizens,

639
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,960
we would be prosecuted
if we dared to raise ransom.

640
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,479
We certainly would have
risked prosecution,

641
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,679
but I know I wanted to believe
that our government would privately

642
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,240
find a way to do something
to bring our son home.

643
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,559
The British and Americans,
they were much more depressed,

644
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,239
and there were more anxiety
among them because they knew

645
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,560
that their governments were not
going to speak with these people.

646
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,560
John also told me, "It's not fair
that we are being forgotten here."

647
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,879
We knew that people
will be killed soon.

648
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,599
They started to torture us again,

649
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,400
like, quite heavy,
three, four times a day.

650
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,080
They stripped us for food
and blankets.

651
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,560
James was one of the main targets
of the Beatles.

652
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,799
They saw a picture of him
dressed in uniform,

653
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,839
so they were convinced that
he was an army guy.

654
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,839
He was being beaten really badly
by them.

655
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,879
But he handled that.

656
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,840
He was really, really strong,
very, very strong.

657
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040
The victimhood,
it was not his style.

658
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:11,439
If somebody was beaten, James was
the one who was consoling him

659
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,239
and telling him,
"Yeah, that's going to pass."

660
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,919
He was the ones who shared food
with the rest of the people.

661
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,359
If there are two tomatoes,
James took the smallest one

662
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,359
and gave you the bigger one.

663
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680
I don't remember one selfish moment
from him.

664
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,439
The evenings,
they were very difficult.

665
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,119
We would sit in completely darkness
all by ourselves

666
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,359
and our own thoughts.

667
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,800
And that was tough...

668
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,320
..and very lonely.

669
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,519
I remember what moved me the most
was John Cantlie.

670
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,759
The way he could tell stories,
like, fucking amazing.

671
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,359
It's like you have hidden that story
until the right moment.

672
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,239
Sometimes I remember when we were
all most scared and tired

673
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,479
and hungry and beaten up,
he made his lecture

674
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,640
about riding more than
a million miles on a motorbike.

675
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,439
And we were sitting
on our small motorbikes,

676
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,079
using our water bottles
as the handle bar.

677
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,160
And...

678
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,399
..I remember him talking about

679
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,359
the path only two metres wide
in the Himalayas.

680
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,279
And he's just describing,
of course, the mountains,

681
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,399
but this river right next to us,
like 100 metres down.

682
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,159
All of us were sitting
on a motorbike in a line,

683
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,079
trying to stay on the path.

684
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,039
So that was thrilling, exciting
and beautiful.

685
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,479
That moved me a lot.

686
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,440
That was his own life
he spoke about, his old life.

687
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,280
I think that John knew that
he had burned all his matches.

688
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,439
There was a part of him that
really, really, really regretted

689
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,040
that he went back to Syria.

690
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,360
There was part of him
that hated himself.

691
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,720
He was really tough on himself.

692
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:36,359
If they got their freedom again,
John and James wanted to change.

693
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,039
You know, "Don't go back
and try to be a hero.

694
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,199
"Just go back and be humble

695
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,679
"and be happy
that you have your freedom.

696
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,360
"Don't take that for granted."

697
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,679
Jens has returned to Syria,

698
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,839
13 months after Daniel was
kidnapped,

699
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,879
and he's about to have an encounter

700
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,640
with the men holding
Daniel, James and John.

701
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Everybody is super nervous.

702
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,279
You get total paranoia when you're
in that phase of the operation,

703
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,279
because even the smallest thing
can go wrong.

704
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,639
What would prevent them from
just taking the money, taking me,

705
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,799
knowing that there's a lonely guy
sitting in the middle of nowhere

706
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,240
with two million euros?

707
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,010
I mean, that would be
the easiest heist ever, right?

708
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:40,159
A little past eight o'clock,
all of a sudden, a motorcycle comes.

709
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,880
It slows down, drives past
and stops right behind the car.

710
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,480
There are two people,
both wearing black fatigues.

711
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,840
I walked towards them
with open hands.

712
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,040
We had agreed on a code name.

713
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,199
I had to place the money in a bag.

714
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,519
He didn't even open it,
he just weighs it.

715
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,039
And then I said to him, "We have
a deal," stretched out my hand,

716
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,639
then he gave me a handshake.

717
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,599
He knew English. I mean,
it could have been one of them.

718
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,439
I don't know which of them.

719
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,599
And then he just spun around
and got on the bike.

720
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,080
And then he disappeared
across the border to the south.

721
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,199
This transaction lasted
less than two minutes

722
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,720
and it felt like two hours.

723
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,480
And then there was
a very long waiting game.

724
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,599
The three Beatles came into the
room, threw a blanket over my head,

725
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,399
dragged me to the door,

726
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,000
and two days later,
I crossed the border...

727
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,000
..and came into freedom.

728
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,680
And there he stood, Jens...

729
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,400
..with a new pair of glasses for me.

730
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,759
We hugged, and it was
very emotional.

731
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,640
And it was difficult for him
to let go.

732
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,079
He had been looking for me
for 13 months,

733
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,920
blaming me for destroying his sleep.

734
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,040
This tremendous relief at that time,
it was very moving.

735
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,079
We celebrated his freedom,

736
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,240
and the day after,
we flew back home to Denmark.

737
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,679
It was full of emotions.

738
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,720
I was super, super excited,
excited, excited until I saw him.

739
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,960
And once I saw him, he was OK,
something unbelievable.

740
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,160
I didn't want to see anyone,
just to be with him. It's like...

741
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480
..I don't need anybody else.

742
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,959
It really wasn't until
after the Spanish came out,

743
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,080
the French came out,
then the Italian...

744
00:48:20,081 --> 00:48:23,399
..then it became clearer and clearer
to me that,

745
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,200
"Wait a minute, our government's
not negotiating."

746
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,720
The Europeans are,
and that's why they are coming out.

747
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,999
I was so shocked. I was so...

748
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,880
So disappointed.

749
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,639
People who'd taken time
to meet with me

750
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,239
had listened and then chosen
not to help -

751
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:55,119
and had not been truthful
till the very end,

752
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:01,080
when it was much too late for us
as citizens to raise a ransom.

753
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,439
In June 2014, the Islamic State
group has reached its peak,

754
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480
seizing Mosul, Iraq's second city.

755
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,679
It now controls the largest amount
of territory

756
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,120
ever held by
an extremist organisation.

757
00:49:38,311 --> 00:49:45,199
- NEWS ARCHIVE:
- The Sunni militant group Isis proclaimed its leader,

758
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,159
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,
as the leader of all Muslims.

759
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,159
SHOUTING

760
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,280
GUNFIRE, HORNS HONK

761
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,879
- NEWS ARCHIVE:
- Iraq's second city, Mosul, is still emptying out

762
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,240
as the country risks breaking apart.

763
00:50:01,241 --> 00:50:05,119
These are just some of
the huge numbers fleeing

764
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,720
as the Islamic militants of Isis
notch up their gains.

765
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,679
To see Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,
after killing people and bombing

766
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,839
and cutting the heads, and he's
like saying,

767
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,519
"I am the Khalifa"...

768
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,679
- NEWS ARCHIVE:
- A terrified man is led away to be killed.

769
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,559
{\an8}..are you crazy?
Like, after all these crimes?

770
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,960
This is not Islam.

771
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,319
{\an8}All of a sudden,
they control a city like Mosul

772
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,520
with, what, 2.5 million people?

773
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,199
This is now more than
a regional threat.

774
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,759
These guys are serious, This is
going to be a big, big, big problem.

775
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,559
{\an8}What was different about Isil State
was, for the first time,

776
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,359
{\an8}here was an Islamist,

777
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,399
extremist, violent organisation
that had money,

778
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,039
{\an8}oil, weapons
and, effectively, a country.

779
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,040
{\an8}And so we had to act
as urgently as we could.

780
00:51:23,951 --> 00:51:29,519
- BARACK OBAMA:
- Today, I authorised two operations in Iraq -

781
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,599
targeted air strikes
to protect our American personnel

782
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,959
and a humanitarian effort to help
save thousands of Iraqi civilians.

783
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,599
I mean, it was bound to happen

784
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,160
that they would have massive
retaliation against Islamic State.

785
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,759
We intend to stay vigilant

786
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,279
and take action if these terrorist
forces threaten our personnel

787
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,799
or facilities anywhere in Iraq.

788
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,079
And I knew that environment
would make it almost impossible

789
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,959
to conduct...not only negotiations,

790
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,599
but also trying to send people
in and out.

791
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,479
Tonight, we give thanks to our men
and women in uniform.

792
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,000
God bless the United States
of America.

793
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,319
By the summer of 2014,

794
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,880
only the British and American
prisoners are left.

795
00:52:16,881 --> 00:52:20,999
The start of the bombing
had inevitable consequences

796
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,839
for the fate and treatment

797
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,310
of the remaining British
and American hostages.

798
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,279
In July of 2014, I was about
to come back to the States

799
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,759
when my husband told me that
they'd received the email

800
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,839
announcing that Jim was going
to be killed.

801
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,879
But the email was quite graphic.

802
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,959
They were planning
to very brutally kill Jim

803
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:53,079
if we, our family,
did not stop the bombing.

804
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,079
The terrorists were going through us

805
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,240
for things they knew
we couldn't do anything about.

806
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,959
When it became obvious
to the captors

807
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:07,279
that our government was not
engaging, they just made a decision.

808
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,959
"That's OK, we won't try and get
money for the Americans and British.

809
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,190
"We're going to use them
in a different way."

810
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,559
The Beatles are still holding
Americans Steven Sotloff,

811
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,479
Peter Kassig, Kayla Mueller
and James Foley

812
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,680
and the British - David Haines,
Alan Henning and John Cantlie.

813
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,319
The UK and US are
running out of time,

814
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,720
and with the announcement of
the caliphate, it's time to respond.

815
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,359
I was absolutely clear
that we had to find these hostages,

816
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,999
we had to find
the people responsible

817
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,960
and that we had to defeat Isil
in Syria.

818
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,999
I approached this
from a soldier's mentality.

819
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,399
There is no negotiation.

820
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,519
We come through the fucking door,
kill you all and get everyone out.

821
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,800
That was my only belief.

822
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,279
I had quite a lot of conversations
directly with President Obama

823
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,639
about, "What assets do we have
to try and find out where they are?"

824
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,799
It's an incredibly difficult
thing to do,

825
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,879
but it is always right to try.

826
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,880
There was one attempt in July 2014.

827
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,599
Unfortunately, that had to be
handed over to the Americans

828
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,679
because we couldn't build
an air bridge

829
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,120
and American special forces
executed that mission.

830
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,400
They put in incredible work
to try and rescue John and James.

831
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,239
We thought we knew where they were.

832
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,880
The Americans put quite a large
number of people on the ground.

833
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,799
Huge, huge resources
went into trying to rescue them.

834
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,960
People went into harm's way,
bravely.

835
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,630
But unfortunately it all failed,
because they'd been moved.

836
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,359
Before I was released,
the Beatles said,

837
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,520
"Take a good look...

838
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,560
"..because you will be the last one
to see them alive."

839
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,759
So that was the last picture I had
of James and Steven and Peter,

840
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,200
Alan, David and John.

841
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,560
Jim knew he wasn't coming back home.

842
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,600
But he wanted to reach out to us.

843
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,120
And so he sent the letter to us
through Daniel.

844
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:10,200
To recite that letter to us,
Daniel had memorised Jim's words.

845
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,560
The words in that letter were Jim.

846
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,800
It was just such a gift.

847
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,879
What he did was little anecdotes,

848
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,279
little lines to different members
of our family,

849
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:36,280
to help each of us know that he
remembered his last moments with us.

850
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,199
I remembered most vividly
what he said about my mom,

851
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,039
that he was going to need
her strength to reclaim his life,

852
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,120
I think he said.

853
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,120
It was very much
Jim saying his goodbye to us.

854
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,999
John is held in captivity

855
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,039
and watches as all of
his fellow captives are murdered.

856
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,079
This is James Wright Foley.

857
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,879
I'd encourage everyone
to put themselves in John's shoes

858
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,400
and say, "What would I do
to survive?"

859
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,359
Hello, my name is John Cantlie.

860
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,279
I'm going to show you the truth
behind the systems

861
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,239
and motivation of the Islamic State.

862
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,119
He finds himself very quickly
as their little media guru.

863
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,239
Hello, I'm John Cantlie...

864
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,199
Some people said, "Maybe
he has become part of the enemy."

865
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,119
This is Mosul. It's been a while
since I've ridden a motorcycle,

866
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,639
so excuse me if I wobble around
a bit, but...

867
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,119
He had found a way to survive,

868
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,720
and I don't want to judge him
in any way.

869
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,919
You know, who knows what any of us
would do in those circumstances?

870
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,600
There are two sides to every story.

871
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:14,200
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